Early model 700ADL in 22-250 compare with John Lacy info?

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USMC1302Colt
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Early model 700ADL in 22-250 compare with John Lacy info?

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Gentlemen,

I have an early model 700 ADL chambered in 22-250. The rifle is from a collection I bought from my wife's uncle. He was the original owner. It is in excellent condition.

I understand that in John Lacy's book on the model 700, he lists the serial number of the earliest known in existence Model 700 in 22-250. This question is directed at the Remington collectors in this community who are lucky enough to have a copy of this book.

The serial number of my rifle is: 145635, and the markings stamped into the left side of the barrel are U C M O. Can someone please help verify when this rifle was manufactured?

Also can someone please share what the serial number of the earliest known Model 700 is in John Lacey's book?

Please let me know, thank you for your time.

-Adam
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Re: Early model 700ADL in 22-250 compare with John Lacey inf

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USMC1302Colt wrote:Gentlemen,

I have an early model 700 ADL chambered in 22-250. The rifle is from a collection I bought from my wife's uncle. He was the original owner. It is in excellent condition.

I understand that in John Lacey's book on the model 700, he lists the serial number of the earliest known in existence Model 700 in 22-250. This question is directed at the Remington collectors in this community who are lucky enough to have a copy of this book.

The serial number of my rifle is: 145635, and the markings stamped into the left side of the barrel are U C M O. Can someone please help verify when this rifle was manufactured?

Also can someone please share what the serial number of the earliest known Model 700 is in John Lacey's book?

Please let me know, thank you for your time.

-Adam
Your date code (C M) translates to April of 1965.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/que ... arrelcodes

FWIW, I don't have the book to answer that question. However, from what I've read on the forum, the serial numbers probably started with "1" or some variation. I'm sure some of the executives got the lowest numbers and some are in the museums, which would take a few out of circulation.


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Re: Early model 700ADL in 22-250 compare with John Lacey inf

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The 700 ADL was actually produced in 1964, but cataloged and sent to the public in 1965. There were more then double ADL models with over 6500 made then BDL's in the mid 2000's in 1965. Im sure John has notes at home with the serial numbers on all guns he studied, but I don't recall anything like that in his book? I have not looked at it in a while so I could be wrong.
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Adam, your rifle predates the "early specimen" (not the "earliest known in existence Model 700 in 22-250) stated in The Remington 700 book by about 300 using the serial number and built the same month as yours. Lacy stated that records show that the 700 serial number range started at or near 1000!
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Thank you for the responses gentlemen.

600RemGuy: When you say the the model 700s started at or near 1000, are you referring to the latter half of the serial number. So for example if my serial number is 145635, does that mean that the 635 is important part of the number to pay attention to?

So does anyone know the exact serial number of the "early specimen" model 700 in 22-250 that is in John Lacy's book?

Please let me know, thank you.
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I assume what your trying to get at is your rifle one of the first ones made. Or the earliest one in existence. I would bet to say now. There is no log that says serial number xxx is the first 22-250 made.
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600RemGuy; I am aware that my rifle certainly is not the earliest in existence. I am interested to see if it is in fact an earlier serial than the one listed in John Lacy's book. I have yet to come across a copy of John's book to verify it though.
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USMC1302Colt wrote:Thank you for the responses gentlemen.

600RemGuy: When you say the the model 700s started at or near 1000, are you referring to the latter half of the serial number. So for example if my serial number is 145635, does that mean that the 635 is important part of the number to pay attention to?

So does anyone know the exact serial number of the "early specimen" model 700 in 22-250 that is in John Lacy's book?

Please let me know, thank you.
The thing you need to know about Remington serial numbers is that they're not sequential to the build date. They may have been closer in the early 60s, but I've got a BDL in 7mm Exp. Remington with a build date of Jan. 1980 that has a lower serial number (A3201XXX) than an ADL .25-06 with a build date of Mar. 1978 (A6589XXX). That's a big number span.

They made the actions and then made the barrels and attached the two at some point in time. They didn't all come off the respective assembly lines at the same time. The actions were probably put in bins and taken out as needed.


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I've seen the old assembly process in Ilion first hand a few years back. As you said, parts for the rifles were put in wooden bins and retrieved as needed. The shotguns were made downstairs using robots and much less people involved. It was like going from gun-making 100 years ago to modern manufacturing.
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