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Looking for a manufacture date of a Remington model 11-A with SN 195673. Thanks.
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mike57 wrote:Looking for a manufacture date of a Remington model 11-A with SN 195673. Thanks.
1919
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Thanks for the quick response. I figured it was either 1919 or 1920. Any way of knowing what part of 1919-like month or wether the first half or second half?
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The old Between the Wars factory ledger begins with Sept 30, 1919, when the serial numbers had reached 199611.

Jim Tipton's serial number chronology that was published with his Model 11 Article in the Remington Society of America Journal, 2nd Quarter 2000, does not agree with the old factory ledger. In that chronology 195673 would be late 1916. I think that Jim knew that was wrong and with the version of his article that was up for a long time on Remington's web site he had a form for readers to send in their serial number info.
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Researcher wrote:The old Between the Wars factory ledger begins with Sept 30, 1919, when the serial numbers had reached 199611.

Jim Tipton's serial number chronology that was published with his Model 11 Article in the Remington Society of America Journal, 2nd Quarter 2000, does not agree with the old factory ledger. In that chronology 195673 would be late 1916. I think that Jim knew that was wrong and with the version of his article that was up for a long time on Remington's web site he had a form for readers to send in their serial number info.
OK thanks, so is it fairly certain that 1916 is out of the question, and the obvious build date is sometime before Sept 30 1919 right? Definately some conflicting info out there. Until I'm told otherwise, I'll go by the date given here-1919. Also(and all this history about this gun has me fascinated now), what exactly is the difference in a model 11 and model 11-A? Am I to assume there was a model 11, then model 11-A? And is there a copy of "Between the Wars factory ledger available somewhere that I can view? I would really like to find out exactly how many were produced "by year".
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Here are some pics of my model 11a. Note a crack in the stock and a hairline crack in the receiver(one of the botton screws). Looks more to be over tightening of that screw, than stress related from high power ammo. I know for a fact that my father shot high power shells when he was using this gun. Considering the hairline crack in the receiver, is it OK to continue shooting high power ammo? Also, the stock is made of wood, but seems like the forend is plastic. Or at least it sounds like plastic. What parts of this gun don't look original? Thanks.
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Here are a Couple of more pics showing trademark information.
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In that the company name on your barrel is Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co., Inc. we know it was from between 1916 and 1920.

When originally introduced by Remington Arms Co. in 1905, the gun was the Remington Autoloading Shotgun, and the Grades were No. 1 "STANDARD" Grade, NO. 2 SPECIAL" Grade No. 3 "TRAP" Grade, No. 4 "TOURNAMENT" Grade, No. 5 "EXPERT" Grade, No. 6 "PREMIER" Grade, and No. 0 "RIOT" Grade.

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When Marcellus Hartley Dodge reorganized in 1911 and combined his arms and ammunition companies as Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. they began calling the gun the Model No. 11. The A was just the "STANDARD" Grade. B was the "SPECIAL" Grade. C the "TRAP" Grade. D the "TORNAMENT" Grade. E the "EXPERT" Grade. F the "PREMIER" Grade. R the "RIOT" Grade.

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As Remington Arms - Union Metallic Cartridge Co. was expanding for war production for The Great War, they incorporated in 1916.

After The Great War, another reorganization brought us Remington Arms Co., Inc. in 1920. Circa 1929, along with the introduction of their Model 29 pump gun, which had a crossbolt safety behind the trigger, Remington Arms Co., Inc. changed the safety on the Model 11 to the crossbolt and gave the Model 11A "STANDARD" Grade checkered wood like the Model 29A "STANDARD" Grade.

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As you can probably see by the overstamp they added the 20-gauge Model 11 in 1930, with the 16-gauge being added the following year.

The checkered forearm is a replacement. The way Remington Model 11 forearms (and Browning A5 forearms) crack, that is not at all unusual. With the crack in the receiver and as bad a shape as the stock is in I'd retire that old smokepole to wall hanger status. For between $200 and $300 you can find much nicer ones in the pawn shops in my area.
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OK thanks for the great info Researcher. Now I have another question, although it doesn't pertain to Remingtons. I have an old Bayard Arms 12 ga side by side with no SN, but it does have a patent date of Dec 20 1892. Would you happen to know anything about a build date for it, or point me in the direction of where I can possibly get some info? Thanks.
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mike57 wrote:OK thanks for the great info Researcher. Now I have another question, although it doesn't pertain to Remingtons. I have an old Bayard Arms 12 ga side by side with no SN, but it does have a patent date of Dec 20 1892. Would you happen to know anything about a build date for it, or point me in the direction of where I can possibly get some info? Thanks.
Bayard is actually a trade name, search under Pieper.
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