Does anyone have a source that quotes the original description of the Remington rolling blocks that were used in the Irish and American 1st Creedmoor match.
We know they could not be more than 10 pounds. Had to be single trigger of no less than 3 pound pull.
Caliber? 44-100? 44-77?
Barrel length: 32" or 34" Half round/half Oct? Pistol gripped/Straight gripped?
Thanks!
Original description of the Creedmoor Remington rifle
Re: Original description of the Creedmoor Remington rifle
Ok, 44-90, 34 inch 1/2 Oct and half round. Pistol grips, long range sight?
Re: Original description of the Creedmoor Remington rifle
It looks like the first Creedmoor rifles (at least from Sharps) was a full 30 " Oct. barrel in .44 caliber using the 2 & 5/8 inch shell. Single trigger, vernier and windage sigts and pistol-grip stock no more than 10 pounds.
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Re: Original description of the Creedmoor Remington rifle
I believe Marcot's Rolling Block book states the original caliber would be the .44-77, using the 2.25" case. He went on to say the 2.25" case could be loaded with a paper patched bullet from 400-600 grains, and either 77 grains, or 90 grains of powder.
Re: Original description of the Creedmoor Remington rifle
this statement seems to support your thoughts from the THE CARTRIDGE COLLECTOR'S EXCHANGE (I couldn't get the photo to copy to here):
A group of .44-77 Sharps/Remington Cartridges........
Here is a group of .44-77 cartridges for various Sharps Sporting rifles and the Remington No. 3 and Hepburn rifles. These use a 2 1/4" case introduced by Sharps, and an assortment of sizes and shapes of paper patched bullets. The standard powder charge was 77 grains, but by reducing the depth that the bullet was seated in the case, a charge as high as 90 grains could be used. The first two cartridges were made by E. Remington & Sons, the first having a rounded, unheadstamped head, and the second with a stepped head bearing one of several variations of the company headstamps. This second cartridge is probably one of the 90 grain loads. The third cartridge was made by the Union Metallic Cartridge Company. Its folded, stepped head and large Berdan primer will also be found on the cartridges made by (or for) the Sharps Rifle Co and on early Winchester cartridges. The fourth cartridge closely resembles the one by UMC, but was made by Winchester, which used the Berdan primer during the mid-1870s. The last two cartridges are also by Winchester, the first having the early, small headstamp, and the second having an unusual thick, square edge rim with a larger headstamp.
A group of .44-77 Sharps/Remington Cartridges........
Here is a group of .44-77 cartridges for various Sharps Sporting rifles and the Remington No. 3 and Hepburn rifles. These use a 2 1/4" case introduced by Sharps, and an assortment of sizes and shapes of paper patched bullets. The standard powder charge was 77 grains, but by reducing the depth that the bullet was seated in the case, a charge as high as 90 grains could be used. The first two cartridges were made by E. Remington & Sons, the first having a rounded, unheadstamped head, and the second with a stepped head bearing one of several variations of the company headstamps. This second cartridge is probably one of the 90 grain loads. The third cartridge was made by the Union Metallic Cartridge Company. Its folded, stepped head and large Berdan primer will also be found on the cartridges made by (or for) the Sharps Rifle Co and on early Winchester cartridges. The fourth cartridge closely resembles the one by UMC, but was made by Winchester, which used the Berdan primer during the mid-1870s. The last two cartridges are also by Winchester, the first having the early, small headstamp, and the second having an unusual thick, square edge rim with a larger headstamp.